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Monday, May 15, 2006

Weird Science...

...as in Scientology.

L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the "Church" of Scientology was a writer of (mediocre) science fiction. It still boggles my (not inconsiderable) mind that so many rich and successful people would give so much money and credence to a "religion" that was made up by a (mediocre) science fiction writer in the early 1950's.

Here's a sample of the silly nonsense in which they believe:

The "Hidden Truth" about the nature of the universe is taught to only the most advanced Scientologists, those who have achieved the level "Clear", in a series of courses known as the Advanced Technology.

The contents of these Advanced Levels courses are held in strict confidence within Scientology. They have never been published by the church, except for use in highly secure areas. The most advanced of all are the eight Operating Thetan levels, which require the initiate to be thoroughly prepared. The highest level, OT VIII, is only disclosed at sea, on the Scientology cruise ship Freewinds. Because Scientology is a mystery religion, the more closely guarded and esoteric teachings imparted at these higher levels may not always be entirely consistent with its entry-level teachings.

In the confidential OT levels, Hubbard describes a variety of traumas commonly experienced in past lives. He also explains how to reverse the effects of such traumas. Among these advanced teachings, one episode revealed to those who reach OT level III has been widely remarked upon in the press: the story of Xenu and his Galactic Confederacy.

Scientologists argue that published accounts of the Xenu story and other colorful teachings are presented out of context for the purpose of ridiculing their religion. Journalists and critics of Scientology counter that Xenu is part of a much wider Scientology belief in past lives on other planets, some of which has been public knowledge for decades. For instance, Hubbard's 1958 book Have You Lived Before This Life documents past lives described by individual Scientologists during auditing sessions. These included memories of being "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful red-haired girl", being run over by a Martian bishop driving a steamroller, being transformed into an intergalactic walrus that perished after falling out of a flying saucer, and being "a very happy being who strayed to the planet Nostra 23,064,000,000 years ago".

Scientologists argue that most members of the organization have not attained a sufficiently high level to learn about Xenu. Therefore, while knowledge of Xenu and Body Thetans is said to be crucial to the highest level church teachings, it cannot be regarded as a core belief of rank and file Scientologists. Such information is not published in commonly available materials, and as such may not be part of what the vast majority of ordinary Scientologists believe.

Critics point out that Scientology literature does include many references to extraterrestrial past lives (even to low levels on the bridge), and that internal Scientology publications are often illustrated with pictures of spaceships and oblique references to catastrophic events that happened "75 million years ago" (e.g. the Xenu incident).

This material ties in to the general purpose of Scientology, which is to learn about these "whole track" incidents on the OT Levels to confront the negativity the mind still holds from these incidents, and as a result to be free of the ill effects of these "whole track" incidents.



Blogger boberin said...

Not that surprising. Folks will believe just about anything especially if it's presented by someone with charisma.
As for folks in Hollywood, seems they will believe just about anything. Money doesn't seem to have anything to do with intelligence.

May 15, 2006 12:29 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

True, money doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intelligence...a lot of people can achieve success with ambition, hard work and perseverence.

But Scientologists are just plain gullible...

May 15, 2006 12:44 PM  
Blogger JR said...

Scientology is not a Religion... It is more like a club than a church... To belong to this club you must "Pay to Play"... Layers of enlightenment... I think John Travolta is a Double Gold Platinum member by now... One thing good about this club is "if you send them their cut, they will find you work"...

May 15, 2006 1:58 PM  
Blogger 'da Bunny said...

What a JOKE! Sounds more like an episode of "Star Trek" or a "Star Wars" film, thought up by someone with the mental development of a 14 year old child, than a "religion." [btw, I HATE sci-fi crap!] Gullible people will "buy" [literally] into anything...tarot card readings, numerology, astrology, scientology, any kind of "fantasy-land" garbage designed to make them "feel good." Gullible and self-absorbed people such as the Follywood kooks are just looking for another way to "act."

May 15, 2006 5:27 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

That's just it; legally at least, Scientology is a religion...with all of the accompanying tax advantages.

But you are definitely right about the cliquishness of the Scientology "club".

'da Bunny:
As P. T. Barnum once famously remarked, "there's a sucker born every minute...and two to take him".

However, I happen to love science fiction, I just don't base my life on fiction is all...

May 15, 2006 6:47 PM  
Blogger JR said...

Sorry Camo Scientology is not a religion for taxes, it is a non profit organization for taxes...

May 15, 2006 7:22 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

It's no more "Un-freakin'-believable" than a bloke raising himself from his own grave. And telling people to eat his flesh. Yikes.

May 15, 2006 7:28 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

From the "Scientology" link in the original post:
The Church of Scientology presents itself as a religious non-profit organization...

I pity you, my Irish friend...truly.

May 15, 2006 7:47 PM  
Blogger MargeinMI said...

I get it now. To achieve 'nirvana' in Scientology, one must be a total nutcase! No wonder so many of the Hollyweird crowd belong.

May 16, 2006 8:25 AM  
Blogger Maggie said...


On the level,that picture clearly reminds me of my ex-hubby.

May 16, 2006 10:24 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

You wouldn't have to be a total nutcase; just being gullible will do.

Hmmm...is that why he's your ex-hubby, then?

May 17, 2006 2:24 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"I pity you, my Irish friend...truly"

Stop trying to sound patronising, Camo. It has no affect on me.

I'm no longer bound by the superstitious ravings, rules and regulations of old men. I don't need them to inform my conscience or my sense of morality.

I'm more interested in how 'Christians' can justify showering death and destruction on tens of thousands of innocent people - none of whom had threatened your country. How Christians justify attacking another country that had not threatened them (but which they would like to own/control for geo-political reasons). How they justify using Depleted Uranium, poisoning the soil and bodies of a whole nation - causing deformed fetuses to be born for generations and cancer rates to quadruple. How they justify making children orphans, without arms or legs or faces. How they justify attempting to legalise torture, or grabbing people from around to world to secrete and torture them in undisclosed locations. Going against every sense of decency known on this planet ...

Not to mention dumping international law and the constitution and bill of rights of their own country. And then claiming to export their version of democracy to others - as if your country has an exclusive claim on virtue or morality. "We know what's good for you and we're going to give it to you down the barrel of a gun".

I don't need religion to fight for human rights and justice, to support NGOs, and oppose the notion that 'might is right'. I don't just talk the talk, I walk the damn walk. And I don't need organised religion to make me do what my conscience dictates.

It disgusts me that people who claim to revere Jesus can support the barbarity of your country's actions. I happen to think that Jesus preached a lot of sense. Practising it is another matter, and many so-called Christians don't seem to practise much of it.

And don't bother asking me if I support terrorism - I don't. And that includes terrorism by states. No wonder the standing of the USA in the world is at an all-time low.

Going to delete this one?

May 21, 2006 6:20 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

The problem with you is that you generally try to change the subject to what you want to talk about, which is always the same old thing.

First of all, your insistence upon portraying the U.S. Armed Forces as representing Christianity is simply asinine...they are representing U.S. interests and security, nothing more. Last time I checked, there was this concept pertaining to the separation of church and state being touted by the U.S. government.

I'm not interested in your innuendos; the subject of this thread is the "church" of Scientology. Since you're such a highly evolved individual with no need for any religion, your comments on any of them mean less than nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

As for deleting a comment of yours on a previous post, that was due to your picayune little ad hominem attack on someone else's spelling...quite petty stuff, that.

May 21, 2006 10:43 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"First of all, your insistence upon portraying the U.S. Armed Forces as representing Christianity is simply asinine"

Who mentioned them? I was talking about your president's 'crusade'. They're just following orders(although that wasn't acceptable at Nuremburg, was it?? When the Allies were in charge?)

"Last time I checked, there was this concept pertaining to the separation of church and state being touted by the U.S. government"

Yeah, sure ... which is why they want creationism and not Darwin taught in schools ... And Bush says God wanted him to be President ...

Why don't you address my main point and stop going off on a tangent? How can Christian Bush-supporters justify what I listed above? Are you not capable?

May 22, 2006 5:19 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

You said:
I'm more interested in how 'Christians' can justify showering death and destruction on tens of thousands of innocent people..."

THAT'S how you mentioned them (this go-'round), and it isn't the first time.

As I told you, I'm not interested in discussing your favorite topic; I posted a different one of my very own. Besides, I really don't care what you think about anything, anyway.

Spare me the pathetic attempts at reverse psychology too. Are you not capable?

May 22, 2006 6:31 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"THAT'S how you mentioned them (this go-'round), and it isn't the first time"

Sure, Camo, but they don't GO without being SENT. Or didn't you know that? And most of the USA cheering them on?

"Besides, I really don't care what you think about anything, anyway"

Great excuse to avoid answering. Bravo.

May 22, 2006 7:01 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

Should I really keep telling an obvious troll (you) that the subject is Scientology, and not whatever said troll wants to talk about? You only ever want to talk about one thing, and quite frankly, you bore me...

May 23, 2006 10:00 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

I bore you? Good excuse to avoid answering. Bravo. (Again)

Since it didn't register:

I was making the point that it's a bit odd to criticise the beliefs of others (i.e. scientologists) when your own crowd are making hypocrites of themselves. Not to mention saying you pitied me, which I was answering too.

So claiming I'm off-topic is a bit rich -- and is purely an excuse for not giving me an intelligent answer to what I asked above. I repeat -- you're not capable.

May 23, 2006 1:54 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

And what apparently hasn't registered with you (crude, juvenile attempts at reverse psychology nothwithstanding - "you're not capable, you're not capable." SQUAWK! Polly wanna cracker!) is the fact that I'm not interested in any discourse with the likes of yourself...whatsoever. That's mostly since you seem to only ever want to discuss one thing, to the exclusion of all else, and I don't.

Just because you figure that you can rationalize a tie-in with the subject matter of the thread changes that fact not one whit.

Now be a nice li'l troll, and make good on your (obviously worthless) promise to stay away...

May 23, 2006 2:40 PM  

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