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Wednesday, June 01, 2005

You say you want a constitution?

AP - AMSTERDAM - Dutch voters worried about social benefits and immigration overwhelmingly rejected the European Union constitution Wednesday in what could be a knockout blow for a charter meant to create a power rivaling the United States. With four-fifths of the votes counted, the charter was losing 62 percent to 39 percent, an even worse defeat than the 55 percent "no" vote delivered in a French referendum Sunday.

Now that 2 countries have rejected the proposed European Union constitution, it seems likely that another revision shall have to be drafted. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Perhaps a new constitutional convention can be held, wherein the various constituencies can be represented to everyone's satisfaction.

Once all the various concerns have been addressed, if they even can be, hopefully a document representative of the peoples' wishes can be ratified.

Apparently that hasn't happened with the current version.

In any case, I wish them well...


Blogger Josh Fahrni said...

Wish them well? You softy.

Viva la constitutional resistance!


Americans for the downfall of France.


June 01, 2005 7:11 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

That's me. Just an old softy. The French want to keep their 35 hour work weeks, and the 6 weeks of vacation time...they don't want to have to compete with the Eastern Europeans in a fair market. I can't say I really blame them, I wish I had it so good. But they also have about a 10% unemployment rate. Things will have to change over there, and not everyone will be happy with it. As for wishing them well, I've spent time in France, Germany, Italy, etc.; like anywhere else, the people are mostly OK, the socialist government is another story...

June 01, 2005 8:10 PM  
Blogger Hawkeye® said...

Me-thinks the EU (pronounced EEEUWWW!) constitution is probably dead for the next 5 years... maybe 10. From what I can gather, the existing document is something like 57 pages long and is more of a rule book for how to run a socialist government than a constitution. Do you really think that representatives from 22 or so odd countries can come together and agree on changes to a 57-page document in less than 5 years? Not likely.

June 01, 2005 8:50 PM  
Blogger mig said...

EU is doomed because everyone wants to be on top, or atleast not on the bottom. I think it is so funny that they can't get a constitution written. They critique Iraq with a template that they can't even follow (A constitution and government up and running with autonomy) And Europe doesn't have bombers killing thier people and thier police and thier voters.... Yea, the BIG doublevay standard!

June 01, 2005 9:28 PM  
Blogger kwl said...

I am so confused now.
1. The French do something usefull. Go figure.
2. John Kerry read the New Testament again. He said he couldn't see where it said for the poor to give to the rich. Who told him there was something in there that said something like that, and why would he go for that bait? Good thing he is not the President huh? But I have digressed. The point I wanted to make here, and here is the confusion part, is he and his left ilk saying that Judeo Christian Values have something to do with the fiber of this country now?

Can you see how I am so confused?

June 01, 2005 10:15 PM  
Blogger Bob_inSpain said...

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June 01, 2005 10:42 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

KWL, that appears to be the liberal modus operandi. You only pay attention to things like 200+ year old documents, like the U.S. Constitution, or centuries old documents, like the bible, if you can twist their meanings to suit your moral relativist world view! Obviously, that's the view they want to convey to the American public, that the, "rich," received tax cuts by taking money out of the pockets of the, "poor." It doesn't matter how illogical--or false--the accusations are, as the MSM will not question their logic or their truthfulness.

As far as the French doing something useful, I'm just as confused by that as you are!!!

June 01, 2005 10:49 PM  
Blogger Bob_inSpain said...

When I heard how long their constitution is, I figured it was in big trouble.

A workable constitution has to be fairly simple. Go look at ours. It seems like half of it is startup details, then a collection of pretty simple rules. Tack on the Bill of Rights - 10 short statements - and that's about it. The other amendments are mostly simple as well, added slowly over about 200 years... and two of them cancel each other anyway!

As da genius knows, this blogger is disposed to be wordy... so if even *I* am saying it should be short and simple....

[post was deleted and re-posted by author to correct typo. sorry.]

June 01, 2005 10:59 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

The complexity of the document doubtless has a lot to do with its unacceptability.

How long it might take to retool is anyone's guess. Methinks they might want to (shudder) model theirs after ours; it worked for the Iraqis, more or less. It's the good old K.I.S.S. principle. ("Keep It Simple, Stupid"...if you're not familiar with the concept)

The whole language barrier scenario they have to deal with over there is reminiscent of the Old Testament story about the Tower of Babel...

June 02, 2005 12:37 AM  
Blogger hooey said...

I actually address this very topic, from a progressive poimt of view, on my blog.

June 02, 2005 4:53 PM  
Blogger hooey said...


June 02, 2005 8:28 PM  
Blogger mig said...

Howie... So you love Farenheit 9/11 and Justin Timberlake. Geesh. Justin Timberlake? AND Nirvana? Man you are so confussed!

June 02, 2005 9:19 PM  
Blogger hooey said...

Not confeused, Mig. Just progressive. Read my blog. You Might learn something.

June 02, 2005 10:14 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

One thing's for certain, nobody will learn how to spell at howie's blog...

June 03, 2005 6:49 AM  
Blogger Kajun said...

If (most of) the poor don't pay any taxes, how can the rich take their tax money?

While we're there, How can the "rich" (other than Democrat Congresspersons) take anyone's tax money?

June 04, 2005 3:19 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

Kajun News:
The whole mess just taxes my patience!

June 04, 2005 4:01 AM  
Blogger LebenFrei said...

"Patience" is not currently taxed. The tax law does create a lot of patients due to its complexity. Tax accountants have one of the highest rates of heart attax compared to any other profession or vocation. Lawyers have one of the lowest rates of heart problems because most are heartless. Bikers frequently tax the patience of auto drivers as they weave recklessly through traffic.

June 08, 2005 7:20 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

LebenFrei said:
Bikers frequently tax the patience of auto drivers as they weave recklessly through traffic.

Generally it's young people on "crotch rockets" who do that. A majority of accidents involving motorcycles are caused by people driving cars, who frequently make left turns in front of motorcyclists, or pull out from side streets into their path. The universal mantra is "I never saw you!".

I realize you're just trying to be amusing, but you do NOT want to pursue this discussion, take it from me...someone who was nearly killed in '96.

June 08, 2005 11:54 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

Good article about the E.U.'s proposed constitution:

French finally get it right
By Jack Kelly

June 09, 2005 7:45 AM  
Blogger jeanne said...

NJ legislator introducing a bill to levy 6% sales tax on elective surgery. So, in NJ, patients will be taxed. Ugh!

June 09, 2005 8:06 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

Good one. Tax 'til it hurts. Could you imagine the revenues generated by taxing the elective surgery on Michael Jackson alone?

June 09, 2005 8:19 PM  
Blogger jeanne said...

It's that good ole NJ democrat mindset...if they can afford elective surgery, they can pay the tax. If you remember quite a few years ago, they did the same thing with yacht builders...who subsequently moved out of the state. Thought they were getting all this new revenue by taxing the "rich". They went elsewhere and bought/built boats and where's all that revenue now? NOT in NJ. Same thing will happen. The docs (and their patients) will just go across the bridge.

June 09, 2005 9:09 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

How 'bout a National Sales Tax, in lieu of Income Tax? Whatever you buy, they tax; buy nothing...NO TAX. Of course, when I retire and buy my catamaran, I'd have to "bite the bullet"...

June 09, 2005 9:30 PM  

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