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Tuesday, August 30, 2005

When the wind blows...Part II


AP - GULFPORT, Miss. - As dawn broke over the ravaged Gulf Coast on Tuesday, rescuers in boats and helicopters furiously searched for survivors of Hurricane Katrina. The governor said the death toll in one Mississippi county alone could be as high as 80.

AP - WASHINGTON - The nation's top disaster relief official said Tuesday that Hurricane Katrina wrought "catastrophic" damage to low-lying portions of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama and that additional medical personnel were being moved in to treat evacuated hospital patients.


Part I was an attempt at humor...but there's nothing funny about "Katrina". Reports of casualties are still coming in. If you believe in that sort of thing, as I do, please pray for the victims of this disaster...

States' advisories:
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama

HOW TO HELP:
American Red Cross
Angel Pray Child Charity Foundation
Catholic Charities USA
Lutheran World Relief
Network for Good
The Salvation Army

125 Comments:

Blogger 'da Bunny said...

I've only seen a few of the "first" pictures of the stricken areas, and it's just heart-breaking to see the destruction. I urge those with the means to do so to donate to the Salvation Army's relief efforts. I, personally, prefer donating to them, as they do the Lord's work, in the Lord's name. They have the lowest "administrative costs," thus allowing more of the money donated to go toward actual assistance efforts.

August 30, 2005 10:10 AM  
Blogger Rich said...

It is an awful shame, however, cold blooded person that I am has to wonder why anyone would choose to live below sea level in a coastal area susceptible to hurricanes.

August 30, 2005 10:55 AM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Rich, I have mixed feelings like that, too. I have often wondered why people keep re-building in areas that get flooded every other year.

August 30, 2005 11:47 AM  
Blogger Libby Gone™ said...

I'm waiting to hear of offers of assistance from France, Iran, and other countries we ALWAYS bail out when disasters stike!

August 30, 2005 11:48 AM  
Blogger upnorthlurkin said...

The RedCross team from up here all mobilized yesterday and were talking about being gone a long time! I'm with 'da bunny here too, the bang for the buck is better for the SA.

August 30, 2005 12:50 PM  
Blogger JR said...

CamoJack
  Of all of the blogs I check out on a daily basis, you are the only one that has shown any concern so far...Thanks...
  With so many of my relatives that were in harms way and left for high ground... It will be a few days before I know what has happened...
JR

August 30, 2005 3:54 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

'da Bunny & upnorthlurkin:
In addition to the Salvation Army, there are a couple of other faith-based charitable organizations whose administrative costs are amongst the lowest going:
Lutheran World Relief
Catholic Charities USA
(I'm adding them to the post)

Rich & JannyMae:
Truth to tell, I have often said the same thing about areas prone to hurricane damage, but since people do live in such places...we do what we can for them.

Libby Gone™:
Excellent point; I'm sure you won't be holding your breath though, right?

JR:
I'm sure that other bloggers will get on board, if they haven't by now. Hopefully all of your relatives are OK...

August 30, 2005 4:28 PM  
Blogger MargeinMI said...

I put out a call for prayer on SF, let me add it here.

Not only the people who's homes and businesses have been devistated, please pray for the utility workers going full bore to get things back up and running again. It's dangerous work in any circumstance, but with the standing water, broken everything, unfamiliar areas, etc., the odds are worse. My buddy's in Miami right now (since Sat.) They will be heading around the coast of the Gulf, working 16 hr. shifts and sleeping in their trucks.

I used to work with high pressure natural gas which is scary enough. Electricity is much more dangerous: can't see, hear or smell it. God be with them.

My boy asked last night, "Mom, why do people live there?" My reply, "I don't know. Why do people live in California? It's gonna be in the ocean one of these days."

Give me an ol' fashioned blizzard any day!

August 30, 2005 4:42 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

MargeinMI:
Good point regarding those utility workers; I think what Possumtrot says about it bears repeating: people who run generators should disconnect from the power lines, so they don't electrocute people working on them...there should be a cutoff switch installed in the systems.

August 30, 2005 6:23 PM  
Blogger jeanne said...

I don't think we'll be hearing anytime soon from France and the usual suspects. Thank the Lord we don't need them. We're a strong, generous, caring country. We'll take care of our own. No doubt about it. And, if/when disaster hits them, we'll be first in line with help. That's who we are.

August 30, 2005 8:59 PM  
Blogger Libby Gone™ said...

As a former pole climber, take heart. We were always trained in safety first. Worry more about the stranded,homeless, scared children, devastated and lost, us utility guys know the ropes. Please extend your hand of mercy, oh Lord, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

August 30, 2005 9:09 PM  
Blogger Alaska Dawg said...

Posted by Dawg

The devastation is unbelievable. But on the flip side, why would anyone have chosen to stay? I understand that there were poor, but pool your money with friends or relatives and get out.

August 30, 2005 9:39 PM  
Blogger Alaska Dawg said...

Posted by Dawg

I also wonder where are the offers of help from around the world. We are always bailing someone out, and where is the rest of the world when we need them? France? Germany? Iraq? Hello? HELLO?

August 30, 2005 9:48 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

jeanne:
It's a good thing we take care of our own, because as you say, we won't be hearing "the usual suspects" anytime soon.

Libby Gone™:
I know that we technical types are trained in safety, but it's still a good practice to disconnect generators from line voltage, nevertheless.

LYMIB/Dawg:
Welcome to my little corner of the "blogosphere".

Some folks just instinctively stay put, methinks, for good or ill.

As for "the rest of the world", see my response to Jeanne...

August 30, 2005 11:03 PM  
Blogger mig said...

I can't tell you why we stay. I never evacuated from one yet. There is something about leaving your home and your animals. What if...?
Hurrican Fran came.We went and stayed on the ship on the river with Stephen, they were on ships power. It was mandatory that he stayed. So we stayed. When we drove the 5 miles home after it passed, it was sureal. So still. There is no noise.
As for the 'poor' staying, perhaps the city buses should have been gased up and driven out to someother spot, but where? And then what?
I would take an old fashioned blizzard myself, but this is where we live. Atleast a hurricane can be planned for. I still say tornadoes are the scariest.

August 31, 2005 4:54 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

mig:
As I've said, I believe that it's instinctive for some folks to stay.

Regarding where people should go: inland; higher ground...until the danger has passed.

Tornadoes are pretty scary, and can happen just about anywhere...

August 31, 2005 5:04 AM  
Blogger mig said...

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11823150&postID=112540901645074314&isPopup=true

WalMart donates a million.

August 31, 2005 5:05 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

mig:
Did they? Good for them...they can afford it, and it's good community relations.

August 31, 2005 5:08 AM  
Blogger Pat'sRick© said...

Good article and good links. We have prayed and will continue to pray. WalMart is accepting donations online also. They have already contributed $1,000,000 dollars. Of course, for some, that is nothing.

August 31, 2005 6:41 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

Pat'sRick©:
Thanks. Regarding Walmart; as I said, it's a good thing they're doing. Besides, they can afford it, it's good community relations and...a tax writeoff as well.

August 31, 2005 7:22 AM  
Blogger kwl said...

mig said...

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11823150&postID=112540901645074314&isPopup=true

WalMart donates a million.
August 31, 2005 5:05 AM

Not only the donations, did you see what the others were just taking from them? What are they going to do with a TV? Where are they going to plug that in to? And what's galling is they think it is OK and nothing is wrong!
I can understand the fathers and mothers trying to gather enough to feed their children, I would do the same thing, but how many pairs of shoes does one need? Do they really need all those electronics?

I am personally packing a lunch from here out and donating what I would have spent on lunch to help with this recovery effort. I challenge you all to do the same.

Thanks

August 31, 2005 10:45 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

kwl:
Nice idea...vis-á-vis the lunch thing.

August 31, 2005 1:03 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

All the prayers and good wishes are very much appreciated.

We only suffered broken and uprooted trees and a 3 foot by 4 foot hole in the roof ( we also have numerous articles in our yard that belong to others, that are being re-claimed one at a time).

We have intermittent electricity due to the fact that 4 of the 5 power transmission lines across the river into Mississippi were knocked out.

By the way (forgive the humor):

In your list for emergency shelter in Louisiana, the first listing, is one in our town.

This is a 16 foot square one story building with a huge "SHELTER" sign out front. I'm sure they mean "shelter info", but the large sign in front of the tiny building look ridiculous.

August 31, 2005 4:25 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

Kajun:
I'm happy to hear that you fared the storm relatively unscathed...keep us posted, OK?

August 31, 2005 5:22 PM  
Blogger MargeinMI said...

kajun, Ever entertain the idea of installing a skylight? Now might be the time!

Glad you and yours are safe!

August 31, 2005 6:26 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

margeinmi

That's what it will have to be. I'm too old and feeble to get up there and fix it.

=================================

New Orleans calls itself "Sin City" and Gulfport-Biloxi is a "Gambling Mecca".

Kind of reminds one of Soddom and Gamorrah.

September 01, 2005 2:08 AM  
Blogger JR said...

CamoJack,
  You were first on Scrappleface today... Did not feel like reading, what he had to say several days later...
JR

September 01, 2005 10:53 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

JR:
Ah yes, the much sought after first post on ScrappleFace. To be fair, Scott first wrote about "Katrina" before I did; remember that his milieu is satire, but there is method to his madness, as Shakespeare said via Polonius in Hamlet.

I noticed several others got onboard regarding relief efforts, too. It can be difficult knowing what to say sometimes, at times like these.

More importantly, have you heard from your relatives in the affected area?

September 01, 2005 12:16 PM  
Blogger JR said...

CamoJack,
  It is like drops from a faucet, slow but steady... So far just property is lost...
JR

September 01, 2005 1:10 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

JR:
"Stuff" can be replaced; people can't...as I'm sure you know.

Everyone affected will stay in my prayers.

September 01, 2005 5:33 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

JR

Are your people up here around my neck of the woods...Concordia Parish?

Our popluation appears to have gone from 12,000 to about 100,000.

September 01, 2005 9:25 PM  
Blogger JR said...

Kajun, None in LA... Mississippi mostly... JR

September 02, 2005 12:14 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"It's a good thing we take care of our own, because as you say, we won't be hearing 'the usual suspects' anytime soon."

As for that and all the other 'smart' comments:

Didn't you know that Bush said no help was wanted from outside?? And are you not aware that at least 20 countries have offered help??

The response from Bush and Co has been a disgrace. We're all watching what's going on, live on our TVs, and it's like a Third World disaster. Only this is the world's only superpower. And it takes this long to respond to a natural catastrophe on home ground?? Bush's reaction has been appalling -- too little and too late. We can't believe our eyes or ears ...

September 02, 2005 9:05 PM  
Blogger RAM said...

Bush did NOT say, "----no help is wanted--"

I don't have the exact quote, but it was similar to, --- if we don't get help, we are a strong Country and will get by on our own.

If you are going to "spin" people's words out of context, then no one will listen to or believe any of your other lies.

People on this blog have enough intelligence to not believe what is said, (as with lib-left-wing-nut parrots such as yourself), without providing a link.

September 03, 2005 10:23 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

Of the 20 Countries, how many have ALREADY sent a check, or ACTUALLY will?

Are any the same Countries who demanded that Iraq follow the UN resolutions or face the consequences?

We all know how much they meant what they said then! ;-)

September 03, 2005 10:27 AM  
Blogger Libby Gone™ said...

My question to these lunatics is " How the heck much faster could relief be?" God knows the relief agency trucks are not loaded ,fueled, running,and ready to bust out the gate when the gun goes off.
This is a disaster of BIBLICAL porportions and IT WILL TAKE ALOT OF TIME. Get over yourselves lunatic intelligently superior lefty kooks!

September 03, 2005 10:39 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Forget about me. Just look at the front pages of papers all over the world.

Don't take it from me -- look at the international coverage, for god's sake. Do you think we're blind?

We have continuous live coverage here, on our own TV channels -- and on some of yours.

Are you trying to tell me nobody is criticising Bush? Internationally? And even in the US? It's been appalling! 5 days to get people out of that convention centre? Why?

The head of an international relief agency, on TV, actually said "They should look at how Iran dealt with the Bam earthquake, that's how to do it". And your country is supposed to be prepared for a major terrorist attack? The world's "superpower"? Who are you kidding?

Bush should be impeached.

September 03, 2005 11:30 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

FYI, this is an Australian commenting in a yahoo group:

"There are many, many countries offering help, including the most recently tsunami-affected countries (whose people have been vividly reminded of their own experience by the tv footage they're seeing from the US), and even poor Venezuela is offering petrol (gas). I see the UN has stepped in, and that the US *is* now accepting offers of help, except from Russia (!!!) which offered any manpower needed. I hope it's the right kind of help -- George Bush made an ungracious speech about 'expecting cash' when it's obvious more than cash is needed."

Castro has offered 1,100 doctors, but that won't be accepted either, of course.

More comment on Yahoo:

"A number of 'Third World' papers expressed total disbelief that such chaos could happen in the US, so GW -- of whom it's supposedly thought 'didn't want to humiliate and weaken the US for years to come' by accepting aid -- in fact has already managed to humiliate the US in the eyes of the world by not accepting help and allowing the situation to deteriorate so badly."

So no more smart comments about aid from elswehere, PLEASE.

September 03, 2005 12:30 PM  
Blogger JR said...

MK77,
  I can understand your points... Add this to the mix of your next rant... Everyone in Charge of New Orleans and most of the residents knew that parts of the levees were only good for Cat 3, not 4 or 5 storms... They left the city with a Cat 5 storm coming and were only praying that it would not happen... They knew before hand what has happened would happen... And now we have to pray and take care of those that did not know...
  I was surprised to find out that the levees were not good enough, so I ask you, did GW and all those who stayed know…
  As for the help from others it is the thought that counts, from even Castro...
JR

September 03, 2005 12:59 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

MK77 again demonstrates his complete ignorance. Why don't you try this link from one of your beloved news sources:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22369-1762362,00.html
From the above link:
>>The sophisticated version of this proposition is that the National Guard, who would have rescued everyone, quelled the looting and stopped up the dykes are all in Iraq. The New York Times, in the above-mentioned editorial, entitled “A man-made disaster”, took this view.

Fine, except that in the very same edition it was carefully explained to a reporter that there were, in fact, thousands of National Guard folk around. A National Guard senior officer even told The NYT: “It is not a function of more people, but how many people can you move on the road system that exists now in Louisiana and in Mississippi,” and asked rhetorically: “How many people can you put through that funnel where a storm has taken four-lane highways and turned them into goat trails?” The goat trail question was not addressed in the editorial>>>

Then, there is this, from the Constitution of the great state of Louisiana:

ARTICLE IV. EXECUTIVE BRANCH

§5. Governor; Powers and Duties

(J) Commander-in-Chief. The governor shall be commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the state, except when they are called into service of the federal government. He may call out these forces to preserve law and order, to suppress insurrection, to repel invasion, or in other times of emergency.>>

In addition, it turns out that President Bush called and urged for the mandatory evacuation of the city of New Orleans. Who knows what would have happened had he not done so???


I'm afraid that if anyone ought to be impeached, it's the governor of Louisiana.

I can't believe that people half a world away have the gall to criticize and place blame, without having one percent of the facts at their disposal. Just another case of rapidly advancing Bush Derangment Syndrome.

September 03, 2005 1:52 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

So Bush didn't cut the budgets for emergency response agencies and the rebuilding of levees in New Orleans???

Oh. I see.

"It is not a function of more people, but how many people can you move on the road system that exists now in Louisiana and in Mississippi"

Oh. I see. But they could be moved out quicker on Friday, on the same road system??

And you don't know where the heck I am, dear.
AND even if I was half a world away, this is the information age. I have just as much information as you, honeybunch. I'm on the net and I have a radio and TV. Don't be stupid.

September 03, 2005 2:12 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

Did our tearful Governess "hold off" on damage control, in anticipation of more contracts for State Construction by her husbands construction company?

September 03, 2005 2:22 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

MK77
No, my dear, it is you who have no facts to back up your BS. That was my point, and you've proven it, yet again.
How dare you condescend to me! Who do you think you are? I am not your honeybunch, and I'm not being stupid...you are, by refusing to see the whole picture.

The Army Corps. of Engineers says that President Bush and his administration had nothing to do with the condition of the levees. Are they lying?

Had you bothered to gather any FACTS, you would know that the federal funding for the levees was cut under the CLINTON administration. The fact that the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important has no bearing on their condition?

>>And you don't know where the heck I am, dear.
AND even if I was half a world away, this is the information age. I have just as much information as you, honeybunch. I'm on the net and I have a radio and TV. Don't be stupid>>

It's truly a shame, HONEYBUNCH, that you don't have a clue how to utilize all that information. Why don't you come back some time, after you figure that out! You sure are awfully defensive, for someone who's so sure he has all the information!

September 03, 2005 2:36 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important"

My my my. That's not what everyone else is saying, dear. You must be the only person in the world who would even TRY that line.

Defensive? LMAO

September 03, 2005 3:50 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

By the way, MK77, I'm well aware of who you are, since I haven't been living in a cave. I also have a good idea WHERE you are, but even if I didn't, this is an incredibly obvious clue that you are not in the U.S.--

"We have continuous live coverage here, on our own TV channels -- and on some of yours."

Since I'm not stupid, I was able to figure this out. Therefore, YOU are the one who alluded to the fact that you are not in this country. Get a clue, please!

I'm also well aware of your, "track record," here. You spew out outrageous assertions of what you believe to be true, then others refute what you say with facts. You ignore those facts, then you spew out MORE outrageous assertions of what you believe to be true. If you produce a source at all, it's a dubious one, which is easily refuted by a LEGITIMATE source. It's a cyclical, circular pattern which I have no intention of getting into with you. Simply spoken, you are not as well informed as you believe yourself to be....Later, honeybunch! MUCH later!

September 03, 2005 3:53 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

"the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important"

My my my. That's not what everyone else is saying, dear. You must be the only person in the world who would even TRY that line.

Defensive? LMAO

Excuse me, but you refuted WHAT of what I said? Nothing, dear.

As usual, you completely ignored virtually the entire substance of my post, and focused on something you THINK you can refute. Nice try, HONEYBUNCH!

Get some facts, dear!

September 03, 2005 3:55 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"not in the U.S." and "half a world away" don't mean the same thing.

Don't you know that?
Have you ever seen a world map?

LOLOL

"which is easily refuted by a LEGITIMATE source"

Like what? Like the mainstream that CamoJack doesn't accept?

September 03, 2005 3:59 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"It's a cyclical, circular pattern which I have no intention of getting into with you"

Thank god. I can't stand nutters. :)

September 03, 2005 4:01 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"Since I'm not stupid, I was able to figure this out"

GOLLYGOSH! She figured it out!!

September 03, 2005 4:03 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"It is not a function of more people, but how many people can you move on the road system that exists now in Louisiana and in Mississippi"

Oh. I see. But they could be moved out quicker on Friday, on the same road system??

You didn't anwer this, little one?

September 03, 2005 4:10 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

There are basically only two suitable "roads" out of New Orleans heading West.

These are "4 lane" roads. Both were made "one-way" West (on Thursday), and almost immediately gridlocked.

So many tried to exit at one time, traffic could only creep along.

A 100 mile trip which normally would take about 1.5 hours, took 8 hours or more. Meanwhile traffic was gridlocked in New Orleans.

Louisiana and Mississippi have fewer highways, or even roads, than most other areas.

September 03, 2005 5:20 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Jannymae wrote:

"it is you who have no facts to back up your BS. That was my point, and you've proven it, yet again"

"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.

A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."

Are you trying to tell me that the above is not true? You say the locals weren't concerned about the levees?

September 03, 2005 8:54 PM  
Blogger JR said...

MK77,
  Read my post again... Fixing the levees was on the list of things to do since 1965... I just found that out yesterday...   GW has never cut any budget... Only the amount of increase is cut... Instead of getting a pay raise of 25 cents an hour you only get a pay raise of 20 cents an hour... Your pay is never cut…
  OMB and the local officials decide which projects are most important to work on before others… I do not care who was concerned or not… Mardi Gras will never be the same…
JR

September 03, 2005 11:56 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"Bush's agenda is to cut government services to the bone and make people rely on the private sector for the things they might need. So he sliced $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers, a 44 percent reduction. Plans to fortify New Orleans levees and upgrade the system of pumping out water had to be shelved.

"Who was in charge of the rescue operation? Why so few helicopters and just a scattering of Coast Guard rescuers? Why did it take helicopters five hours to get six people out of one hospital? Where were the feds? The state troopers? The National Guard? Where were the buses and trucks? the shelters and portable toilets? The medical supplies and water?

"Where was Homeland Security? What has Homeland Security done with the $33.8 billions allocated to it in fiscal 2005? Even ABC-TV evening news (September 1) quoted local officials as saying that "the federal government's response has been a national disgrace"."

And the guy in charge of FEMA, he's done, finished. While his predecessor is a lobbyist for a Halliburton subsidiary? You want to tell me all this is not true?

I've watched those poor people dying in the streets, their bodies left there to rot. And this is the USA, which dares to tell other countries how to run their lives?

"When an especially powerful hurricane hit Cuba last year, the Castro government, abetted by neighborhood citizen committees and local Communist party cadres, evacuated 1.3 million people, more than 10 percent of the country's population, with not a single life lost -- a feat that went largely unmentioned in the U.S. press."

Meanwhile the US doesn't want aid from the French because it would "look bad". Tosh!!

May the poor people of New Orleans rest in peace. Their city is gone.

September 04, 2005 6:15 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking discrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that
others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

September 04, 2005 7:22 AM  
Blogger JR said...

MK77,
I say again... OMB and local official decide which projects are at the top of the list... The New Orleans Corps of Engineers works 24 hours a day, seven days a week on other projects costing tons of money for New Orleans... In your desire to pretend to be right... Think again... Never mind just bite me...
JR

September 04, 2005 11:26 AM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

Digest this, Bush-blamers.

September 04, 2005 12:00 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

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September 04, 2005 8:10 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"In your desire to pretend to be right"

Which means what? I'm quoting American sources in much of what I say.

CNN has just reported that police in New Orleans have shot at least 5 armed people on a bridge -- except they were contractors going to repair a canal? Is that wrong too??

It's chaos. Total chaos.

September 04, 2005 8:11 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Jannymae, you can't quote the Washington Post!!!

CamoJack says the mainstream media are not accepted here cos they're all full of anti-Bush propoganda.

September 04, 2005 8:45 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Nice refutation of the facts MK77! Frankly, I thought even you could do better than that!

I take it you couldn't successfully, "spin," that story to your satisfaction, hence you went about, inadvertently, making my case for me!?

That's quite amusing, really! Yes, The Washington Post is indeed our MSM, and it's my experience that people like you will accept anything you read in our MSM as factual, as long as it bashes Bush. However, if you want to accept our notion that, "The Washington Post," normally publishes anti-Bush propaganda, you could probably make the case that this is factual, since it DEVIATES from that norm!
Indeed, if one accepts the thesis of an obvious anti-Bush bias, where they do everything in their power to try and portray Bush in a bad light, then one could presume that this article probably does all it can to gloss over the facts!

This Washington Post article opens, pardon the pun, the floodgates on the truth of who really screwed up here. Indeed,
I am seeing that there is no way our MSM is going to successfully deflect the screw-ups of the Governor of LA and the Mayor of NO onto the president. They are going to be left with little other than their utterly SILLY ravings about how Bush somehow caused the hurricane because of his refusal to ratify Kyoto!

September 04, 2005 11:40 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

As for it being chaos, as you put it? I would ask you to tell us who it was that promoted that chaos, by not getting a handle on the situation in the first place?

Could it be the Mayor of New Orleans, and the Governor of Louisiana who let things get so out of hand, before they finally allowed the feds in to clean up their mess? Unfortunately for you, and your obsessive desire to bash my president, it's looking more and more that way.

September 04, 2005 11:42 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

The News Media is totally responsible for the failure of immediate response in NOLA.

They reported Monday evining, and even Tuesday morning, that New Orleans had "dodged the bullet", and that there was little damage.

"a 50 inch water main burst and was causing some flooding" Quoted from Our Tuesday morning newspaper.

Does that sound like a disaster?

People began returning home to NOLA. upon hearing this.

September 05, 2005 3:18 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

mk77: Is 77 your intelligence quotent? CNN reported wrong, Associated Press reported wrong. NO contractors were even injured.

Do you still read Jason Blair? Is Dan Rather still your choice for news?

My facts are proven by this link from a reputable news source, who doesn't "rush to judgement": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168457,00.html. They simply report the TRUE FACTS.

You may be in another country, but you are just like all the liberal-blame America and Bush first Dems, who only rush to judgement when it is something that can be slung at Conservatives, our Troops, law enforcement, or Christians.

Please tell us which "wonderful country" you live in so we may point out it's faults. If we were to be like you, I am sure we can find all sorts of false info from blogs, as that seems to be where you back up MOST of your facts (?)! My bet would be, there are PLENTY of true facts about your country and you, and we would not need to make ANYTHING up!

September 05, 2005 10:20 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Bush is in trouble over this, and no amount of shouting and yelling on this blog is going to change that, folks.

And if Camojack can "refute" my points simply by refusing to accept anything I quoted from the American MSM, then so can I.

Tough. Digest it.

September 05, 2005 12:16 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Fox News?
Like, Bill O'Reilly who edits video, so people "say" what he wants them to say?
Who tells people he's interviewing to "shut up"?
Fox News, the mouthpiece of the administration?
"Fair and balanced"?

You must be joking.

And Camojack won't accept the New York Times. My god.

September 05, 2005 1:07 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"Folks shouldn't mindlessly following the herd if they're not cows in this incarnation"

Ever heard that one?

September 05, 2005 1:26 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

Bill O'Reilly is "eat up with himself" and fancies himself a "ladies man". He is not a news reporter, and doesn't claim to be.

Bill O'Reilly is not Fox News!

September 05, 2005 1:27 PM  
Blogger JR said...

Nk77,
  I had something really important to tell you... Now what was it again... You have an IQ of 77 was funny, no... You're brain dead, no... What was it... Oh Yeah!!! BITE ME...
JR

September 05, 2005 3:24 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

"Bush is in trouble over this one." Sorry, but as the facts filter out, it's looking less and less that way, but I realize that your hatred for him forces you to hold out that fantasy.

The facts now show, that the FEMA were ready to go into LA in a timely manner, but the Governor refused the assistance. The pathetic efforts to pin this one on Bush are not going to fly.

So now, not only can he reject the MSM, but Fox News, as well. Clearly, MK77 gets all his false, "facts," as RAM points out, from bloggers who share the same level of cluelessness he does.
The truth is, that story about the contractors being shot was FALSE. He's been, "had," yet again!

So, MK77, Bill O'Reilly is your evidence that FoxNews is biased? He's a commentator, not a news reporter. If you can use him as an example of FoxNews bias, then can I use an extremely far LEFT commentator from CNN or BBC as evidence of THEIR news reporting bias? Are you incapable of comparing apples to apples?

You obviously can not distinguish what a legitimate source of news is...which is why you cannot, "debate," your way out of a paper bag.

September 05, 2005 5:40 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Just for clarification purposes:
Link to that story about the contractors

And this is, reportedly, what the original draft of the story read:

"NEW ORLEANS - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six, a deputy chief said. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers said the victims were contractors on their way to repair a canal."

The truth seems a bit different than what was originally reported, doesn't it? But, of course, there is no bias at MSNBC, right????

September 05, 2005 6:28 PM  
Blogger RAM said...

Like, Bill O'Reilly who edits video, so people "say" what he wants them to say?

That's not Bill O'Reilly, you are thinking of Mikey Moore aren't you?

September 05, 2005 6:29 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

Well, I go away for a nice 3 day weekend, and return to find that MK77 is still up to the same (old, tired) routine:
Blame Bush!

MK77:
Just to refresh your one track mind, this thread is about a terrible disaster, and ways to help the victims thereof, not for you to just keep parroting the "same old song and dance".

(It's an interesting obsession this poster has with me, and my little corner of the "blogosphere"...on which he claims to have his own blog, yet somehow doesn't list in on the profile he obviously created for the sole purpose of spewing his biased nonsense here. It's Rather pathetic, really. I wonder when he's going to live up to those "Toodle pips" he posts every so often)

JannyMae:
You GO, girl! Way to refute the silly crap MK77 posts.

JR, Kajun & RAM:
Thanks for filling in for me in my absence, too.

September 05, 2005 6:36 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Jack can't even be consistent.

The US MSM is not accepted -- only when Jannymae quotes from them.

And no one can use words like crap -- except Camojack.

Meanwhile, not one of you had the basic decency to apologise or retract the smart remarks about help from outside, despite so many countries having offered -- and their help finally being accepted by your precious Bush.

Was FEMA subsumed into Homeland Security?
Was FEMAs budget cut?
Is Brown someone who had no experience whatsoever in disaster emergency?

Not in your world, I suppose.

And don't blame me for blaming Bush. Half of America is already. Like you didn't know.

September 06, 2005 6:46 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

mk77:
Use the word crap?! Sure you can...you just did, and it also aptly describes (just about) everything you post. No, I take issue with the "S" word for the stuff. But you're obfuscating again, and are being deliberately disingenuous, as usual.

I think JannyMae's citing of an extremely biased "mainstream" media source debunking your preferred bias is, as the advertisement says, priceless.
(Oh, yes, I do!!!)

It's OK for you to pick and choose what points to ignore (most of 'em), but woe betide anyone else with the colossal temerity to not address each and every one of your (talking) points. You've mentioned previously that you have a blog; what's the URL for it, little man? I don't expect it will be forthcoming, but then neither are you, registering as mk77 for the express purpose of posting spurious copy & paste blather here. What a sad, pathetic creature you must truly be. I am laughing at your (pathological) pathos yet again, and for this I must THANK YOU, "Toodle pip" boy.

One last thing: "Half of America is [blaming Bush] already"? Yes, and by the law of averages, half of America is of below average intelligence. Ponder that one awhile, if you possess the capacity...

September 06, 2005 7:40 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"half of America is of below average intelligence"

You think we don't know it??? That's the Bush "base" and we're only too well aware of it!!!

Do you have any idea how easy it is to wind you lot up? Jeeze, a couple of minutes a day and you're p*ssing yourselves.

Wanna find my blog? Hit "Next Blog" and you'll eventually get there. There are only 16 million of them on the net -- in total.

Like yours matters. Big boy.

I come here for entertainment, and to see exactly how blind and below-average-intelligence the Bush base actually IS.

Fascinating.

September 06, 2005 8:36 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

monkey77: You said, "Meanwhile, not one of you had the basic decency to apologise or retract the smart remarks about help from outside, despite so many countries having offered -- and their help finally being accepted by your precious Bush."
I've asked before, where your country is located, well now I think I know. It's phrance, ---isn't it? Here is what they have offered: Our great ally France has offered the following in the wake of Katrina: 600 tents, 1,000 cots, some kitchen kits, 60 generators and 12 experts to advise the American Red Cross. --I hope they speak English!

What a thoughtful people with their list of help(?) for New Orleans.

Borrowing a little from Bill O'Reilly, Girl Scout troop #19 from Shriveport gave more help than the country of phrance!

September 06, 2005 9:46 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

One other thing "little one". Years ago, (children like you), used to "play " with the phone, thinking they were safe to "jerk people around". Then caller ID was invented.

You better pray boy, that someone doesn't invent something that lets people locate you!

Who knows, maybe it is ALREADY available? ;-D

September 06, 2005 9:52 AM  
Blogger camojack said...

mk77:
If by coming here for entertainment you mean to be entertaining, you're doing a bang-up job of it, with your backwards self.

Your (totally anticipated, as previously noted) refusal to provide the URL for your blog just proves my point.

The below average intelligence types are your brethren...

Make me laugh some more, PLEASE?! I'm p*ssing myself, all right...with laughter!

Toodle pip!!!

September 06, 2005 10:54 AM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Camojack, my pleasure. I was feeling a bit poorly over the weekend and so I engaged in a little troll-smacking, here and elsewhere.

He whose only non-talking-point contribution of the weekend, was in posting a story which was FALSE, is criticizing other's intelligence? Now that is funny!

September 06, 2005 11:24 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

I wrote what the media reported. They corrected themselves within hours.

Taking ME to task for that on grounds of my intelligence is incredibly stupid, Jannymae. But that's par for the course with you. Natch.

Jack, do you think if you say "toodle pip" often enough I'll go away? Such an innocent ...!

"He whose only non-talking-point contribution of the weekend, was in posting a story which was FALSE"

Hmmm. Like this was false?

"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.

A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."


Here's some more for you.
Is this false too?

Reprinted in full from the Sunday edition of the Times-Picayune:

An open letter to the President

Dear Mr. President:

We heard you loud and clear Friday when you visited our devastated city and the Gulf Coast and said, "What is not working, we're going to make it right."

Please forgive us if we wait to see proof of your promise before believing you. But we have good reason for our skepticism.

Bienville built New Orleans where he built it for one main reason: It's accessible. The city between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain was easy to reach in 1718.

How much easier it is to access in 2005 now that there are interstates and bridges, airports and helipads, cruise ships, barges, buses and diesel-powered trucks.

Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.

Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a "Today" show story Friday morning.

Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach.

We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame.

Mayor Ray Nagin did the right thing Sunday when he allowed those with no other alternative to seek shelter from the storm inside the Louisiana Superdome. We still don't know what the death toll is, but one thing is certain: Had the Superdome not been opened, the city's death toll would have been higher. The toll may even have been exponentially higher.

It was clear to us by late morning Monday that many people inside the Superdome would not be returning home. It should have been clear to our government, Mr. President. So why weren't they evacuated out of the city immediately? We learned seven years ago, when Hurricane Georges threatened, that the Dome isn't suitable as a long-term shelter. So what did state and national officials think would happen to tens of thousands of people trapped inside with no air conditioning, overflowing toilets and dwindling amounts of food, water and other essentials?

State Rep. Karen Carter was right Friday when she said the city didnÕt have but two urgent needs: "Buses! And gas!" Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially.

In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn't known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."

Lies don't get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.

Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You're doing a heck of a job."

That's unbelievable.

There were thousands of people at the Convention Center because the riverfront is high ground. The fact that so many people had reached there on foot is proof that rescue vehicles could have gotten there, too.

We, who are from New Orleans, are no less American than those who live on the Great Plains or along the Atlantic Seaboard. We're no less important than those from the Pacific Northwest or Appalachia. Our people deserved to be rescued.

No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced. Especially not one as preposterous as the claim that New Orleans couldn't be reached.

Mr. President, we sincerely hope you fulfill your promise to make our beloved communities work right once again.

When you do, we will be the first to applaud.

September 06, 2005 12:20 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

ram:
If you want to think I'm in Phrance, go ahead.
Make my day!

September 06, 2005 12:32 PM  
Blogger RAM said...

I hope camo deletes your copy and paste rant, as I am sure he has said, (I know it is expressed at Scrappleface), to provide a link.

If you are dumb enough to quote ANY news(?) without checking the facts, you are as culpable as the original author.

P.S. I am sorry I asked if your I.Q. was 77.

It is now painfully obvious that that figure is MUCH too high!

I have a feeling if we ever met face to face, I would make MORE than just your day.

September 06, 2005 4:43 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"I hope camo deletes your copy and paste rant, as I am sure he has said, (I know it is expressed at Scrappleface), to provide a link."

That's not a sentence, so I don't know what it means.

And I didn't "post a rant", Ram.

It's an open letter to President Bush, from the Sunday edition of the Times-Picayune.
Can you not read?

September 06, 2005 4:50 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

JannyMae:
Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well over the weekend.

Personally, I was off to West Virginia to go caving.

RAM:
Since mk77 posted an attribution to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, I'll take him at his word on that.

But you are correct about the fact that I have made it a point to say that I want sources for various copy & paste material, because I do consider the source, which he hasn't always provided.

I also agree about taking anything from the "mainstream" media at face value, and have stated that here, too.

mk77:
You're the one who started with the "Toodle pip" thing...I really don't care if you want to hang out and post comments, provided you respect my guidelines, which I believe you understand well enough by now. You do have a rather abrasive (arrogant, condescending) way of expressing yourself, which tends to invite derision.

Prime example:
"Wanna find my blog? Hit "Next Blog" and you'll eventually get there."

Asinine. What are you afraid of, that someone will go to your precious blog and do to you what you keep trying to do here? Pure hypocrisy, that. Yet you wonder why I tend to be dismissive of you? Get a clue, young man. And before you question that, I'll be 48 on my upcoming birthday, not that it really matters...sometimes age brings wisdom; sometimes it comes alone.

September 06, 2005 6:00 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

MK77 "I wrote what the media reported. They corrected themselves within hours.

Taking ME to task for that on grounds of my intelligence is incredibly stupid, Jannymae. But that's par for the course with you. Natch."

That is not all I took you to task for, MK77, but it does not escape my notice that you completely ignored what I posted a 5:40P.M. yesterday.

The only one here I see who is incredibly stupid, is the one who does NOT know a legitimate source when he sees one. The truth is, MK77, you indeed posted something that turned out to be false, but rather than own up to that, you proceed to try to INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE? And now, the only thing you can come up with to support your viewpoint is a letter written to the editor of a newspaper? Do I even need to say that I could undoubtedly produce letters with the opposite viewpoint?

What is it like to roll out of bed every morning and have your first thought be, "How can I bash the President of the United States, today?" I'm curious. Do tell us....

September 06, 2005 7:02 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Actually I want to specifically address this statement also: "Taking ME to task for that on grounds of my intelligence is incredibly stupid, Jannymae. But that's par for the course with you. Natch."

Frankly, no it's not, as I have enough brains in MY head, that I would have waited and confirmed such a story, before I rushed right out and posted it on a blog, later to end up with egg on my face. Too bad you don't have such discernment. I can only presume that you judgment is clouded by your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Keep up the good work at not debunking anything we say.

September 06, 2005 7:07 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

JannyMae:
I'm glad you're on my side, kiddo.

Ouch!!!

September 06, 2005 7:20 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"the only thing you can come up with to support your viewpoint is a letter written to the editor of a newspaper?"

Jannymae, get a grip, will you?

It's an open letter FROM THE Times-Picayune to the president.


Meanwhile, you say I don't post the truth??
You still haven't said if these are facts or not. Maybe it's too difficult for you:

"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.

A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."

Meanwhile:
Was FEMA subsumed into Homeland Security and its (FEMA) budget cut??
Had Brown any experience in emergency management?
Too difficult for you, I suppose. Don't worry sweetheart, you don't need to answer.

Jack, I don't have a blog.

Are you happy now?

September 06, 2005 7:34 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Here ya go, it's on their opinion page:

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076771

or go here

http://www.nola.com/

and the link is under "Opinion".

September 06, 2005 7:36 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

And BTW, why bug me about my info and my profile when there's damn all on Jannymae's?

Can't you even have the decency to play fair, Jack? MSM is ok for some but not for others?

sheesh ...

September 06, 2005 7:39 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

I'd still expect the lot of you to retract your "smart alec" comments about aid from other countries.

Have you any idea how many countries have offered aid by now???? More than 70 countries - large and small. But you let your cheesy comments sit there.

Shame on you.

September 06, 2005 7:44 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

5.40pm yesterday. This?

"So, MK77, Bill O'Reilly is your evidence that FoxNews is biased? He's a commentator, not a news reporter. If you can use him as an example of FoxNews bias, then can I use an extremely far LEFT commentator from CNN or BBC as evidence of THEIR news reporting bias? Are you incapable of comparing apples to apples?"

Yes, dear, I'm well aware of the difference between news and comment. However, any organisation that would employ such a person and give him such prominence can only be a laughing stock. He makes Fox a laughing stock -- among intelligent people.

I have watched many channels in numerous countries and I have yet to see an interviewer tell his interviewees to "shut up".

September 06, 2005 7:53 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

You can have little experience of the BBC if you think their employees behave like that.
Good god ...

September 06, 2005 7:55 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

mk77:
JannyMae didn't claim to have a blog, you did. Which was a lie, apparently? Not surprising. But yet you say I don't play fair?!

As for the MSM, discernment is the key; sometimes they actually do get it right...

September 06, 2005 8:09 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

September 06, 2005 8:16 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

For your reference, MK77, since you don't appear to discern the difference:

Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

While there may be some, "truth," in what you posted, I have no way of discerning what it might be, since, as you freely admit, that is an OPINION piece that you posted, not a news story.

You are further reinforcing my contention that you cannot discern a legtimate news source. Are you sure you want to continue???

September 06, 2005 8:21 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

applause

Great answer to all I posted, Jack.

"As for the MSM, discernment is the key; sometimes they actually do get it right"

How handy (and hypocritical) is that. Jeeze ... You're really something else.

September 06, 2005 8:23 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"You are further reinforcing my contention that you cannot discern a legtimate news source. Are you sure you want to continue???"

Dear heavens ...

Woman, I posted the fact that the Times-Picayune published an open letter to the President on Sunday. Period.

So what exactly is your question?

September 06, 2005 8:30 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

No, it is you, who can't discern internet fact and fiction, who is, "something else," MK.

The, "Truth," is, there is a whole lot of garbage out here on the internet. Part of the reason for it, is people posting stories, such as the one you posted, which turned out to be false.

Funny, but I never defended O'Reilly. In fact, it may surprise you that I think the man is a pompous ass. He is also, often mischaracterized as a conservative, which he is not. That you would take him and use him to indict the entire FoxNews channel as a, "laughingstock," shows YOUR hypocrisy. By the way, that laughingstock of a news network remains extremely high in the ratings.

My point was that there are indeed COMMENTATORS on CNN whom I could point to as having no credibility. You are being very disingenous in dismissing an entire news network based on one prominent commentator, and I think you know that.
Now, I'm finished with this argument. Get some discernment, please.

September 06, 2005 8:34 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

JannyMae:
I seriously doubt that mk77 is interested in facts...just whatever twisted version of reality fits his agenda. One can certainly find someone to agree with just about anything they might opine, as "hooey" so masterfully proved. In fact, mk77 was one of his biggest defenders, IIRC.
(And I do, of course)

mk77:
So, the admitted liar is calling me a hypocrite now. Man, that hurts...

September 06, 2005 8:34 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Good lord, man! How could you miss the entire point of my post?

"While there may be some, "truth," in what you posted, I have no way of discerning what it might be, since, as you freely admit, that is an OPINION piece that you posted, not a news story."

September 06, 2005 8:35 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Yes, it is a,
"fact," that the letter you referred to was published in a newspaper...which proves what, exactly?

You must truly be intellectually challenged, if you somehow believe that because a letter is published in a newspaper, that somehow lends the letter legitimacy. I'm sure I could easily find a letter published in a newspaper which holds an entirely different viewpoint. Would it be less legitimate than yours?

Enough already. Your rhetoric is getting to be downright ridiculous, now!

September 06, 2005 8:39 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

You're the one, honeybunch, who said the locals didn't care.

"The fact that the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important has no bearing on their condition?"

September 03, 2005 2:36 PM

Correct? And the Times-Picayune were discussing the situation in 2002? Correct? And the Red Cross? Correct?

September 06, 2005 8:49 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Ahh, the desperation continues. I just have one more point to make, MK77.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4214516.stm

This little gem puts BBC news into the laughingstock category for me. This is right up there with some of the most blatant distortion I've ever seen, but I'm sure you'll just eat all of this up as gospel, though, won't you MK?

We will never agree. I'm finished.

September 06, 2005 8:53 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"Ahh, the desperation continues"

You call that an answer?
And you lecture me about debating?

Go to bed for heaven's sake.

September 06, 2005 8:57 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

You're all over the place, Jannymae, and couldn't debate in a fish n chip shop.

--

AND STILL NOT ONE APOLOGY.

So much for Yanks and their "superior" country.

September 06, 2005 9:02 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

I'm all over the place?
Projecting again, MK77? I'm not going to take responsiblity for your obvious reading comprehension problems.

Now, this is going to be my last attempt at getting through to you. The only reason that I have stuck with you so long is that you do not seem to be a stupid person. If you fail to get my point this time, I will have to consider that I was wrong in that presumption....

Now, my point is, that my dismissing BBC News as an illegitimate news source, based on a commentator that I consider to be a, "laughingstock," is just as ludicrous as you dismissing Fox News Channel, based on a commentator whom you consider to be a, "laughingstock." Neither makes sense. Got it, yet? I can't make it anymore simple than that.

Further, both Fox and BBC news get some of their news from sources like, "The Associated Press." Now, does that render your beloved BBC news illegitimate, because they use the same source as Fox? I didn't think so....

I certainly will acknowledge that there is certainly some legitimate news on the BBC. This story here is much more balanced, and for the most part holds true with what I have been reading for the last several days.
Multiple Failures Caused Relief Crisis

Lastly, if you believe that Fox News Channel puts a certain, "spin," on the news, and BBC does not, you are indeed foolish. There is no un-biased news source. That is Camojack's point, that the news sources you cite have a clear bias against our president. I agree with him.

That's where discernment comes in. Clearly someone at MSNBC News made a major blunder when they reported that story about the contractors. Obviously, they published the story, originally, without verifying its validity.

Now, I'm not going to claim that things like that never happen at Fox News. Are you going to claim that they never happen at the BBC?

Debate, MK77? I wasn't aware we were having a debate. When did you produce anything in the way of a debate?

Bye.

September 06, 2005 11:23 PM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Oh, and MK77? You're not my daddy. I'm a big girl, and I don't normally go to bed at 7:00 in the evening. But you continue to make a fool of yourself, if you like. Makes no difference to me, if you make stupid statements.

September 06, 2005 11:26 PM  
Blogger Kajun said...

For those who worship at the Times-Picayune, the Tuesday Sept. 6 2005 edition reported that a break-away barge may have damaged the levy and caused its subsequent failure.

September 07, 2005 2:43 AM  
Blogger Kajun said...

jannymae

Persons who reside in the UK go to bed at 7 pm our time.

September 07, 2005 2:45 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

mk77: And BTW, why bug me about my info and my profile when there's damn all on Jannymae's?

Gee, is this from the hypocrite who said my sentence's don't make sense.

I was right, 77 for your I.Q. is WAY too high! ;-D

September 07, 2005 9:57 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

kagun: Did you know the UK has not offered one penny to the hurricane disaster?

Sounds like that might be where monkey77 is from.

If he/she/it had any intestinal fortitude, it would have at least a profile like we do.

And before "it" says, ----others don't have one---, my answer is I do, so have some guts boy.

September 07, 2005 10:04 AM  
Blogger RAM said...

Sorry kajun, the "g" was a typo.

mk69: Are you ready to apologize for your lies yet?

Any newspaper's editoral "position" on ANY subject is an "OPINION" of the people that publish the paper. You are not only ignorant, (if you don't know that), you prove yourself incapable of intelligent debate, therefore this is my last attempt to reach your "brainwashed" brain.

The only thing that surprises me about you is, you have not quoted statements from moveon.org or "Babs" website and expect us to accept them.

Enjoy the rest of your life as a puppet for the left.

September 07, 2005 10:19 AM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Awfully self-righteous, isn't he? I saw no, "apology," from him for lying about having a blog. I guess deliberately lying is acceptable where he comes from??

I also saw no apology for him posting a story that turned out to be false. In fact, not only was there no apology, he tried to turn it around on me and called me stupid for holding him accountable for his error.

Ok, MK77, regarding what you are saying I ought to apologize for? No way, pal. It's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it! When federal funding was cut for the levee projects, first under CLINTON, the locals whined about it, but did not deem it important enough to provide local funds to make up for the shortfalls. Regardless, the reconstruction would have taken at least 25 years, and would have had no significance in this incident.

Additionally, the governor has recently gotten into trouble for monies for flood buyouts that were misappropriated, so I don't think you have much of a case for me being, "wrong," about that.

Finally, regarding the preparedness for disaster, which you are ragging on? All the more reason for the Mayor to have gotten the people to evacuate sooner.

Now, it's time to stop trying to place blame, and get on with the business of helping these people.

September 07, 2005 10:38 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

bravo! smug, silly little people

September 07, 2005 6:54 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defending the United States' sluggish response to offers of aid that have poured in from abroad since Hurricane Katrina, senior U.S. officials said on Wednesday it is a challenge to match offers from some 95 countries with what is most needed on the ground.

Adding to scathing criticism at home that authorities were slow to respond to the Katrina disaster, a European Union official has blamed transport and other logistics problems in the United States for holding up some of the aid offered by EU countries.

But Harry Thomas, the State Department official in charge of handling the foreign aid denied it was being snarled by bureaucracy.

He said 11 planeloads of food, tents and other goods arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas, this week from Britain, Italy and France, for distribution to hurricane victims. Planes laden with provisions were due to arrive in the next few days from Britain, France, China, Russia, Spain and Israel.

Barbara Helfferich, a spokeswoman for the European Union's executive Commission, said on Tuesday that problems were snarling EU aid offers. She cited the example of a Swedish plane laden with aid that was waiting to take off but had not received U.S. approval to enter the United States.

Thomas acknowledged that not all offers of aid, which total about $1 billion in cash and other assistance, were being taken up as they were offered, saying they had to be matched with specific needs."


carry on reading here:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=globalNews&storyID=2005-09-07T204744Z_01_SPI774831_RTRUKOC_0_US-FOREIGN.xml&archived=False

September 07, 2005 8:06 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

I won't be back.

Your ignorance, and total lack of gratitude for the help offered by other countries, sickens me.

September 07, 2005 8:09 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

mk77:
I'm sure there are a lot of people grateful for any assistance, from anyone, anywhere. Your arrogant, condescending attitude has no bearing on anything whatsoever. What, should we thank you personally? If you've actually done something to help, then allow me to sincerely thank you. But calling people ignorant only displays your own ignorance; you don't know anyone's thoughts but your own.

As for your "anti-Ahnuld" declaration?!
Stay, go...whatever.

PS: Cute picture at the site you linked...

September 07, 2005 8:37 PM  
Blogger RAM said...

mk77 said...
I won't be back


I'm not much of a gambler but, I am willing to take ALL bets this is a lie!

September 08, 2005 1:57 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

RAM:
I won't take your bet. He said it before. For awhile it seems he changed his "nom de blog", but started using mk77 again eventually. Anyway, he's already admitted to being a liar...whatever.

September 08, 2005 2:20 PM  
Blogger mk77 said...

Right, one last comment to clear up this "liar" thing:

I said it was easy to wind you up? I said you could hit "Next Blog" to find me? Later I said I had no blog?

Can you not even understand the difference between fooling around and lying??

And, I was not aware that it was necessary to have a blog in order to comment here. (I don't see Jannymae's available for viewing or commenting on?)

As for knowing people's thoughts: I can read what people write here. They're pretty anxious to go on record with their fulsome opinions.

Now, "Arnie the English-challenged foreigner" or not, I won't be back. Not only are you ungrateful for the help which you sneered that you wouldn't receive, you have no bloody sense of humour either.

Bye bye.

September 09, 2005 9:12 AM  
Blogger mk77 said...

"Libby Gone™:
Excellent point; I'm sure you won't be holding your breath though, right?"



YUK

September 09, 2005 9:16 AM  
Blogger JannyMae said...

Well, as long as we are clarifying, let me clarify. I do not have a blog, and I have never claimed to have a blog, so why MK77 keeps invoking my name in this discussion about his deception is beyond me. And railing on about not being required to have a blog in order to comment here has what purpose??

"Fooling around?" Where I come from, that type of fooling around is called, "Deliberate deception." Why would MK77 want to deliberately deceive people into thinking he had a blog?

September 09, 2005 3:06 PM  
Blogger camojack said...

mk77:
You lied again when you said you wouldn't be back...the only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency.

JannyMae:
I guess we "have no bloody sense of humour", huh? Funny how some can rationalize their nonsense by claiming they were just joking...

September 09, 2005 4:47 PM  

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