When the wind blows...Part II
AP - GULFPORT, Miss. - As dawn broke over the ravaged Gulf Coast on Tuesday, rescuers in boats and helicopters furiously searched for survivors of Hurricane Katrina. The governor said the death toll in one Mississippi county alone could be as high as 80.
AP - WASHINGTON - The nation's top disaster relief official said Tuesday that Hurricane Katrina wrought "catastrophic" damage to low-lying portions of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama and that additional medical personnel were being moved in to treat evacuated hospital patients.
Part I was an attempt at humor...but there's nothing funny about "Katrina". Reports of casualties are still coming in. If you believe in that sort of thing, as I do, please pray for the victims of this disaster...
States' advisories:
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama
HOW TO HELP:
American Red Cross
Angel Pray Child Charity Foundation
Catholic Charities USA
Lutheran World Relief
Network for Good
The Salvation Army
posted by camojack | 09:33
89 Comments:
I've only seen a few of the "first" pictures of the stricken areas, and it's just heart-breaking to see the destruction. I urge those with the means to do so to donate to the Salvation Army's relief efforts. I, personally, prefer donating to them, as they do the Lord's work, in the Lord's name. They have the lowest "administrative costs," thus allowing more of the money donated to go toward actual assistance efforts.
It is an awful shame, however, cold blooded person that I am has to wonder why anyone would choose to live below sea level in a coastal area susceptible to hurricanes.
I'm waiting to hear of offers of assistance from France, Iran, and other countries we ALWAYS bail out when disasters stike!
CamoJack
Of all of the blogs I check out on a daily basis, you are the only one that has shown any concern so far...Thanks...
With so many of my relatives that were in harms way and left for high ground... It will be a few days before I know what has happened...
JR
'da Bunny & upnorthlurkin:
In addition to the Salvation Army, there are a couple of other faith-based charitable organizations whose administrative costs are amongst the lowest going:
Lutheran World Relief
Catholic Charities USA
(I'm adding them to the post)
Rich & JannyMae:
Truth to tell, I have often said the same thing about areas prone to hurricane damage, but since people do live in such places...we do what we can for them.
Libby Gone™:
Excellent point; I'm sure you won't be holding your breath though, right?
JR:
I'm sure that other bloggers will get on board, if they haven't by now. Hopefully all of your relatives are OK...
I put out a call for prayer on SF, let me add it here.
Not only the people who's homes and businesses have been devistated, please pray for the utility workers going full bore to get things back up and running again. It's dangerous work in any circumstance, but with the standing water, broken everything, unfamiliar areas, etc., the odds are worse. My buddy's in Miami right now (since Sat.) They will be heading around the coast of the Gulf, working 16 hr. shifts and sleeping in their trucks.
I used to work with high pressure natural gas which is scary enough. Electricity is much more dangerous: can't see, hear or smell it. God be with them.
My boy asked last night, "Mom, why do people live there?" My reply, "I don't know. Why do people live in California? It's gonna be in the ocean one of these days."
Give me an ol' fashioned blizzard any day!
MargeinMI:
Good point regarding those utility workers; I think what Possumtrot says about it bears repeating: people who run generators should disconnect from the power lines, so they don't electrocute people working on them...there should be a cutoff switch installed in the systems.
As a former pole climber, take heart. We were always trained in safety first. Worry more about the stranded,homeless, scared children, devastated and lost, us utility guys know the ropes. Please extend your hand of mercy, oh Lord, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Posted by Dawg
The devastation is unbelievable. But on the flip side, why would anyone have chosen to stay? I understand that there were poor, but pool your money with friends or relatives and get out.
Posted by Dawg
I also wonder where are the offers of help from around the world. We are always bailing someone out, and where is the rest of the world when we need them? France? Germany? Iraq? Hello? HELLO?
jeanne:
It's a good thing we take care of our own, because as you say, we won't be hearing "the usual suspects" anytime soon.
Libby Gone™:
I know that we technical types are trained in safety, but it's still a good practice to disconnect generators from line voltage, nevertheless.
LYMIB/Dawg:
Welcome to my little corner of the "blogosphere".
Some folks just instinctively stay put, methinks, for good or ill.
As for "the rest of the world", see my response to Jeanne...
mig:
As I've said, I believe that it's instinctive for some folks to stay.
Regarding where people should go: inland; higher ground...until the danger has passed.
Tornadoes are pretty scary, and can happen just about anywhere...
mig:
Did they? Good for them...they can afford it, and it's good community relations.
Good article and good links. We have prayed and will continue to pray. WalMart is accepting donations online also. They have already contributed $1,000,000 dollars. Of course, for some, that is nothing.
Pat'sRick©:
Thanks. Regarding Walmart; as I said, it's a good thing they're doing. Besides, they can afford it, it's good community relations and...a tax writeoff as well.
mig said...
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11823150&postID=112540901645074314&isPopup=true
WalMart donates a million.
August 31, 2005 5:05 AM
Not only the donations, did you see what the others were just taking from them? What are they going to do with a TV? Where are they going to plug that in to? And what's galling is they think it is OK and nothing is wrong!
I can understand the fathers and mothers trying to gather enough to feed their children, I would do the same thing, but how many pairs of shoes does one need? Do they really need all those electronics?
I am personally packing a lunch from here out and donating what I would have spent on lunch to help with this recovery effort. I challenge you all to do the same.
Thanks
kwl:
Nice idea...vis-á-vis the lunch thing.
Kajun:
I'm happy to hear that you fared the storm relatively unscathed...keep us posted, OK?
kajun, Ever entertain the idea of installing a skylight? Now might be the time!
Glad you and yours are safe!
CamoJack,
You were first on Scrappleface today... Did not feel like reading, what he had to say several days later...
JR
JR:
Ah yes, the much sought after first post on ScrappleFace. To be fair, Scott first wrote about "Katrina" before I did; remember that his milieu is satire, but there is method to his madness, as Shakespeare said via Polonius in Hamlet.
I noticed several others got onboard regarding relief efforts, too. It can be difficult knowing what to say sometimes, at times like these.
More importantly, have you heard from your relatives in the affected area?
CamoJack,
It is like drops from a faucet, slow but steady... So far just property is lost...
JR
JR:
"Stuff" can be replaced; people can't...as I'm sure you know.
Everyone affected will stay in my prayers.
Kajun, None in LA... Mississippi mostly... JR
"It's a good thing we take care of our own, because as you say, we won't be hearing 'the usual suspects' anytime soon."
As for that and all the other 'smart' comments:
Didn't you know that Bush said no help was wanted from outside?? And are you not aware that at least 20 countries have offered help??
The response from Bush and Co has been a disgrace. We're all watching what's going on, live on our TVs, and it's like a Third World disaster. Only this is the world's only superpower. And it takes this long to respond to a natural catastrophe on home ground?? Bush's reaction has been appalling -- too little and too late. We can't believe our eyes or ears ...
Bush did NOT say, "----no help is wanted--"
I don't have the exact quote, but it was similar to, --- if we don't get help, we are a strong Country and will get by on our own.
If you are going to "spin" people's words out of context, then no one will listen to or believe any of your other lies.
People on this blog have enough intelligence to not believe what is said, (as with lib-left-wing-nut parrots such as yourself), without providing a link.
Of the 20 Countries, how many have ALREADY sent a check, or ACTUALLY will?
Are any the same Countries who demanded that Iraq follow the UN resolutions or face the consequences?
We all know how much they meant what they said then! ;-)
My question to these lunatics is " How the heck much faster could relief be?" God knows the relief agency trucks are not loaded ,fueled, running,and ready to bust out the gate when the gun goes off.
This is a disaster of BIBLICAL porportions and IT WILL TAKE ALOT OF TIME. Get over yourselves lunatic intelligently superior lefty kooks!
Forget about me. Just look at the front pages of papers all over the world.
Don't take it from me -- look at the international coverage, for god's sake. Do you think we're blind?
We have continuous live coverage here, on our own TV channels -- and on some of yours.
Are you trying to tell me nobody is criticising Bush? Internationally? And even in the US? It's been appalling! 5 days to get people out of that convention centre? Why?
The head of an international relief agency, on TV, actually said "They should look at how Iran dealt with the Bam earthquake, that's how to do it". And your country is supposed to be prepared for a major terrorist attack? The world's "superpower"? Who are you kidding?
Bush should be impeached.
FYI, this is an Australian commenting in a yahoo group:
"There are many, many countries offering help, including the most recently tsunami-affected countries (whose people have been vividly reminded of their own experience by the tv footage they're seeing from the US), and even poor Venezuela is offering petrol (gas). I see the UN has stepped in, and that the US *is* now accepting offers of help, except from Russia (!!!) which offered any manpower needed. I hope it's the right kind of help -- George Bush made an ungracious speech about 'expecting cash' when it's obvious more than cash is needed."
Castro has offered 1,100 doctors, but that won't be accepted either, of course.
More comment on Yahoo:
"A number of 'Third World' papers expressed total disbelief that such chaos could happen in the US, so GW -- of whom it's supposedly thought 'didn't want to humiliate and weaken the US for years to come' by accepting aid -- in fact has already managed to humiliate the US in the eyes of the world by not accepting help and allowing the situation to deteriorate so badly."
So no more smart comments about aid from elswehere, PLEASE.
MK77,
I can understand your points... Add this to the mix of your next rant... Everyone in Charge of New Orleans and most of the residents knew that parts of the levees were only good for Cat 3, not 4 or 5 storms... They left the city with a Cat 5 storm coming and were only praying that it would not happen... They knew before hand what has happened would happen... And now we have to pray and take care of those that did not know...
I was surprised to find out that the levees were not good enough, so I ask you, did GW and all those who stayed know…
As for the help from others it is the thought that counts, from even Castro...
JR
So Bush didn't cut the budgets for emergency response agencies and the rebuilding of levees in New Orleans???
Oh. I see.
"It is not a function of more people, but how many people can you move on the road system that exists now in Louisiana and in Mississippi"
Oh. I see. But they could be moved out quicker on Friday, on the same road system??
And you don't know where the heck I am, dear.
AND even if I was half a world away, this is the information age. I have just as much information as you, honeybunch. I'm on the net and I have a radio and TV. Don't be stupid.
"the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important"
My my my. That's not what everyone else is saying, dear. You must be the only person in the world who would even TRY that line.
Defensive? LMAO
"not in the U.S." and "half a world away" don't mean the same thing.
Don't you know that?
Have you ever seen a world map?
LOLOL
"which is easily refuted by a LEGITIMATE source"
Like what? Like the mainstream that CamoJack doesn't accept?
"It's a cyclical, circular pattern which I have no intention of getting into with you"
Thank god. I can't stand nutters. :)
"Since I'm not stupid, I was able to figure this out"
GOLLYGOSH! She figured it out!!
"It is not a function of more people, but how many people can you move on the road system that exists now in Louisiana and in Mississippi"
Oh. I see. But they could be moved out quicker on Friday, on the same road system??
You didn't anwer this, little one?
Jannymae wrote:
"it is you who have no facts to back up your BS. That was my point, and you've proven it, yet again"
"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.
A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."
Are you trying to tell me that the above is not true? You say the locals weren't concerned about the levees?
MK77,
Read my post again... Fixing the levees was on the list of things to do since 1965... I just found that out yesterday... GW has never cut any budget... Only the amount of increase is cut... Instead of getting a pay raise of 25 cents an hour you only get a pay raise of 20 cents an hour... Your pay is never cut…
OMB and the local officials decide which projects are most important to work on before others… I do not care who was concerned or not… Mardi Gras will never be the same…
JR
"Bush's agenda is to cut government services to the bone and make people rely on the private sector for the things they might need. So he sliced $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers, a 44 percent reduction. Plans to fortify New Orleans levees and upgrade the system of pumping out water had to be shelved.
"Who was in charge of the rescue operation? Why so few helicopters and just a scattering of Coast Guard rescuers? Why did it take helicopters five hours to get six people out of one hospital? Where were the feds? The state troopers? The National Guard? Where were the buses and trucks? the shelters and portable toilets? The medical supplies and water?
"Where was Homeland Security? What has Homeland Security done with the $33.8 billions allocated to it in fiscal 2005? Even ABC-TV evening news (September 1) quoted local officials as saying that "the federal government's response has been a national disgrace"."
And the guy in charge of FEMA, he's done, finished. While his predecessor is a lobbyist for a Halliburton subsidiary? You want to tell me all this is not true?
I've watched those poor people dying in the streets, their bodies left there to rot. And this is the USA, which dares to tell other countries how to run their lives?
"When an especially powerful hurricane hit Cuba last year, the Castro government, abetted by neighborhood citizen committees and local Communist party cadres, evacuated 1.3 million people, more than 10 percent of the country's population, with not a single life lost -- a feat that went largely unmentioned in the U.S. press."
Meanwhile the US doesn't want aid from the French because it would "look bad". Tosh!!
May the poor people of New Orleans rest in peace. Their city is gone.
Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:
There was a striking discrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.
ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that
others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.
The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.
MK77,
I say again... OMB and local official decide which projects are at the top of the list... The New Orleans Corps of Engineers works 24 hours a day, seven days a week on other projects costing tons of money for New Orleans... In your desire to pretend to be right... Think again... Never mind just bite me...
JR
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"In your desire to pretend to be right"
Which means what? I'm quoting American sources in much of what I say.
CNN has just reported that police in New Orleans have shot at least 5 armed people on a bridge -- except they were contractors going to repair a canal? Is that wrong too??
It's chaos. Total chaos.
Jannymae, you can't quote the Washington Post!!!
CamoJack says the mainstream media are not accepted here cos they're all full of anti-Bush propoganda.
mk77: Is 77 your intelligence quotent? CNN reported wrong, Associated Press reported wrong. NO contractors were even injured.
Do you still read Jason Blair? Is Dan Rather still your choice for news?
My facts are proven by this link from a reputable news source, who doesn't "rush to judgement": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168457,00.html. They simply report the TRUE FACTS.
You may be in another country, but you are just like all the liberal-blame America and Bush first Dems, who only rush to judgement when it is something that can be slung at Conservatives, our Troops, law enforcement, or Christians.
Please tell us which "wonderful country" you live in so we may point out it's faults. If we were to be like you, I am sure we can find all sorts of false info from blogs, as that seems to be where you back up MOST of your facts (?)! My bet would be, there are PLENTY of true facts about your country and you, and we would not need to make ANYTHING up!
Bush is in trouble over this, and no amount of shouting and yelling on this blog is going to change that, folks.
And if Camojack can "refute" my points simply by refusing to accept anything I quoted from the American MSM, then so can I.
Tough. Digest it.
Fox News?
Like, Bill O'Reilly who edits video, so people "say" what he wants them to say?
Who tells people he's interviewing to "shut up"?
Fox News, the mouthpiece of the administration?
"Fair and balanced"?
You must be joking.
And Camojack won't accept the New York Times. My god.
"Folks shouldn't mindlessly following the herd if they're not cows in this incarnation"
Ever heard that one?
Nk77,
I had something really important to tell you... Now what was it again... You have an IQ of 77 was funny, no... You're brain dead, no... What was it... Oh Yeah!!! BITE ME...
JR
Like, Bill O'Reilly who edits video, so people "say" what he wants them to say?
That's not Bill O'Reilly, you are thinking of Mikey Moore aren't you?
Well, I go away for a nice 3 day weekend, and return to find that MK77 is still up to the same (old, tired) routine:
Blame Bush!
MK77:
Just to refresh your one track mind, this thread is about a terrible disaster, and ways to help the victims thereof, not for you to just keep parroting the "same old song and dance".
(It's an interesting obsession this poster has with me, and my little corner of the "blogosphere"...on which he claims to have his own blog, yet somehow doesn't list in on the profile he obviously created for the sole purpose of spewing his biased nonsense here. It's Rather pathetic, really. I wonder when he's going to live up to those "Toodle pips" he posts every so often)
JannyMae:
You GO, girl! Way to refute the silly crap MK77 posts.
JR, Kajun & RAM:
Thanks for filling in for me in my absence, too.
Jack can't even be consistent.
The US MSM is not accepted -- only when Jannymae quotes from them.
And no one can use words like crap -- except Camojack.
Meanwhile, not one of you had the basic decency to apologise or retract the smart remarks about help from outside, despite so many countries having offered -- and their help finally being accepted by your precious Bush.
Was FEMA subsumed into Homeland Security?
Was FEMAs budget cut?
Is Brown someone who had no experience whatsoever in disaster emergency?
Not in your world, I suppose.
And don't blame me for blaming Bush. Half of America is already. Like you didn't know.
mk77:
Use the word crap?! Sure you can...you just did, and it also aptly describes (just about) everything you post. No, I take issue with the "S" word for the stuff. But you're obfuscating again, and are being deliberately disingenuous, as usual.
I think JannyMae's citing of an extremely biased "mainstream" media source debunking your preferred bias is, as the advertisement says, priceless.
(Oh, yes, I do!!!)
It's OK for you to pick and choose what points to ignore (most of 'em), but woe betide anyone else with the colossal temerity to not address each and every one of your (talking) points. You've mentioned previously that you have a blog; what's the URL for it, little man? I don't expect it will be forthcoming, but then neither are you, registering as mk77 for the express purpose of posting spurious copy & paste blather here. What a sad, pathetic creature you must truly be. I am laughing at your (pathological) pathos yet again, and for this I must THANK YOU, "Toodle pip" boy.
One last thing: "Half of America is [blaming Bush] already"? Yes, and by the law of averages, half of America is of below average intelligence. Ponder that one awhile, if you possess the capacity...
"half of America is of below average intelligence"
You think we don't know it??? That's the Bush "base" and we're only too well aware of it!!!
Do you have any idea how easy it is to wind you lot up? Jeeze, a couple of minutes a day and you're p*ssing yourselves.
Wanna find my blog? Hit "Next Blog" and you'll eventually get there. There are only 16 million of them on the net -- in total.
Like yours matters. Big boy.
I come here for entertainment, and to see exactly how blind and below-average-intelligence the Bush base actually IS.
Fascinating.
monkey77: You said, "Meanwhile, not one of you had the basic decency to apologise or retract the smart remarks about help from outside, despite so many countries having offered -- and their help finally being accepted by your precious Bush."
I've asked before, where your country is located, well now I think I know. It's phrance, ---isn't it? Here is what they have offered: Our great ally France has offered the following in the wake of Katrina: 600 tents, 1,000 cots, some kitchen kits, 60 generators and 12 experts to advise the American Red Cross. --I hope they speak English!
What a thoughtful people with their list of help(?) for New Orleans.
Borrowing a little from Bill O'Reilly, Girl Scout troop #19 from Shriveport gave more help than the country of phrance!
One other thing "little one". Years ago, (children like you), used to "play " with the phone, thinking they were safe to "jerk people around". Then caller ID was invented.
You better pray boy, that someone doesn't invent something that lets people locate you!
Who knows, maybe it is ALREADY available? ;-D
mk77:
If by coming here for entertainment you mean to be entertaining, you're doing a bang-up job of it, with your backwards self.
Your (totally anticipated, as previously noted) refusal to provide the URL for your blog just proves my point.
The below average intelligence types are your brethren...
Make me laugh some more, PLEASE?! I'm p*ssing myself, all right...with laughter!
Toodle pip!!!
I wrote what the media reported. They corrected themselves within hours.
Taking ME to task for that on grounds of my intelligence is incredibly stupid, Jannymae. But that's par for the course with you. Natch.
Jack, do you think if you say "toodle pip" often enough I'll go away? Such an innocent ...!
"He whose only non-talking-point contribution of the weekend, was in posting a story which was FALSE"
Hmmm. Like this was false?
"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.
A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."
Here's some more for you.
Is this false too?
Reprinted in full from the Sunday edition of the Times-Picayune:
An open letter to the President
Dear Mr. President:
We heard you loud and clear Friday when you visited our devastated city and the Gulf Coast and said, "What is not working, we're going to make it right."
Please forgive us if we wait to see proof of your promise before believing you. But we have good reason for our skepticism.
Bienville built New Orleans where he built it for one main reason: It's accessible. The city between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain was easy to reach in 1718.
How much easier it is to access in 2005 now that there are interstates and bridges, airports and helipads, cruise ships, barges, buses and diesel-powered trucks.
Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.
Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.
Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a "Today" show story Friday morning.
Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach.
We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame.
Mayor Ray Nagin did the right thing Sunday when he allowed those with no other alternative to seek shelter from the storm inside the Louisiana Superdome. We still don't know what the death toll is, but one thing is certain: Had the Superdome not been opened, the city's death toll would have been higher. The toll may even have been exponentially higher.
It was clear to us by late morning Monday that many people inside the Superdome would not be returning home. It should have been clear to our government, Mr. President. So why weren't they evacuated out of the city immediately? We learned seven years ago, when Hurricane Georges threatened, that the Dome isn't suitable as a long-term shelter. So what did state and national officials think would happen to tens of thousands of people trapped inside with no air conditioning, overflowing toilets and dwindling amounts of food, water and other essentials?
State Rep. Karen Carter was right Friday when she said the city didnÕt have but two urgent needs: "Buses! And gas!" Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially.
In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn't known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."
Lies don't get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.
Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You're doing a heck of a job."
That's unbelievable.
There were thousands of people at the Convention Center because the riverfront is high ground. The fact that so many people had reached there on foot is proof that rescue vehicles could have gotten there, too.
We, who are from New Orleans, are no less American than those who live on the Great Plains or along the Atlantic Seaboard. We're no less important than those from the Pacific Northwest or Appalachia. Our people deserved to be rescued.
No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced. Especially not one as preposterous as the claim that New Orleans couldn't be reached.
Mr. President, we sincerely hope you fulfill your promise to make our beloved communities work right once again.
When you do, we will be the first to applaud.
ram:
If you want to think I'm in Phrance, go ahead.
Make my day!
I hope camo deletes your copy and paste rant, as I am sure he has said, (I know it is expressed at Scrappleface), to provide a link.
If you are dumb enough to quote ANY news(?) without checking the facts, you are as culpable as the original author.
P.S. I am sorry I asked if your I.Q. was 77.
It is now painfully obvious that that figure is MUCH too high!
I have a feeling if we ever met face to face, I would make MORE than just your day.
"I hope camo deletes your copy and paste rant, as I am sure he has said, (I know it is expressed at Scrappleface), to provide a link."
That's not a sentence, so I don't know what it means.
And I didn't "post a rant", Ram.
It's an open letter to President Bush, from the Sunday edition of the Times-Picayune.
Can you not read?
JannyMae:
Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well over the weekend.
Personally, I was off to West Virginia to go caving.
RAM:
Since mk77 posted an attribution to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, I'll take him at his word on that.
But you are correct about the fact that I have made it a point to say that I want sources for various copy & paste material, because I do consider the source, which he hasn't always provided.
I also agree about taking anything from the "mainstream" media at face value, and have stated that here, too.
mk77:
You're the one who started with the "Toodle pip" thing...I really don't care if you want to hang out and post comments, provided you respect my guidelines, which I believe you understand well enough by now. You do have a rather abrasive (arrogant, condescending) way of expressing yourself, which tends to invite derision.
Prime example:
"Wanna find my blog? Hit "Next Blog" and you'll eventually get there."
Asinine. What are you afraid of, that someone will go to your precious blog and do to you what you keep trying to do here? Pure hypocrisy, that. Yet you wonder why I tend to be dismissive of you? Get a clue, young man. And before you question that, I'll be 48 on my upcoming birthday, not that it really matters...sometimes age brings wisdom; sometimes it comes alone.
JannyMae:
I'm glad you're on my side, kiddo.
Ouch!!!
"the only thing you can come up with to support your viewpoint is a letter written to the editor of a newspaper?"
Jannymae, get a grip, will you?
It's an open letter FROM THE Times-Picayune to the president.
Meanwhile, you say I don't post the truth??
You still haven't said if these are facts or not. Maybe it's too difficult for you:
"Emergency planners predicted that the destruction of New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to hit the United States -- behind a terrorist attack on New York and a major earthquake along the San Andreas Fault.
A newspaper feature in the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 2002 eerily predicted the unfolding destruction: "Tens of thousands more would be stranded on rooftops and high ground, awaiting rescue that could take days or longer. They would face thirst, hunger and exposure to toxic chemicals." The article quoted a Red Cross report that estimated up to 100,000 would die, "dwarfing estimated death tolls for other natural disasters and dwarfing all but the most nightmarish terrorists attacks"."
Meanwhile:
Was FEMA subsumed into Homeland Security and its (FEMA) budget cut??
Had Brown any experience in emergency management?
Too difficult for you, I suppose. Don't worry sweetheart, you don't need to answer.
Jack, I don't have a blog.
Are you happy now?
Here ya go, it's on their opinion page:
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076771
or go here
http://www.nola.com/
and the link is under "Opinion".
And BTW, why bug me about my info and my profile when there's damn all on Jannymae's?
Can't you even have the decency to play fair, Jack? MSM is ok for some but not for others?
sheesh ...
I'd still expect the lot of you to retract your "smart alec" comments about aid from other countries.
Have you any idea how many countries have offered aid by now???? More than 70 countries - large and small. But you let your cheesy comments sit there.
Shame on you.
5.40pm yesterday. This?
"So, MK77, Bill O'Reilly is your evidence that FoxNews is biased? He's a commentator, not a news reporter. If you can use him as an example of FoxNews bias, then can I use an extremely far LEFT commentator from CNN or BBC as evidence of THEIR news reporting bias? Are you incapable of comparing apples to apples?"
Yes, dear, I'm well aware of the difference between news and comment. However, any organisation that would employ such a person and give him such prominence can only be a laughing stock. He makes Fox a laughing stock -- among intelligent people.
I have watched many channels in numerous countries and I have yet to see an interviewer tell his interviewees to "shut up".
You can have little experience of the BBC if you think their employees behave like that.
Good god ...
mk77:
JannyMae didn't claim to have a blog, you did. Which was a lie, apparently? Not surprising. But yet you say I don't play fair?!
As for the MSM, discernment is the key; sometimes they actually do get it right...
applause
Great answer to all I posted, Jack.
"As for the MSM, discernment is the key; sometimes they actually do get it right"
How handy (and hypocritical) is that. Jeeze ... You're really something else.
"You are further reinforcing my contention that you cannot discern a legtimate news source. Are you sure you want to continue???"
Dear heavens ...
Woman, I posted the fact that the Times-Picayune published an open letter to the President on Sunday. Period.
So what exactly is your question?
JannyMae:
I seriously doubt that mk77 is interested in facts...just whatever twisted version of reality fits his agenda. One can certainly find someone to agree with just about anything they might opine, as "hooey" so masterfully proved. In fact, mk77 was one of his biggest defenders, IIRC.
(And I do, of course)
mk77:
So, the admitted liar is calling me a hypocrite now. Man, that hurts...
You're the one, honeybunch, who said the locals didn't care.
"The fact that the LOCALS did not deem the levees to be important has no bearing on their condition?"
September 03, 2005 2:36 PM
Correct? And the Times-Picayune were discussing the situation in 2002? Correct? And the Red Cross? Correct?
"Ahh, the desperation continues"
You call that an answer?
And you lecture me about debating?
Go to bed for heaven's sake.
You're all over the place, Jannymae, and couldn't debate in a fish n chip shop.
--
AND STILL NOT ONE APOLOGY.
So much for Yanks and their "superior" country.
mk77: And BTW, why bug me about my info and my profile when there's damn all on Jannymae's?
Gee, is this from the hypocrite who said my sentence's don't make sense.
I was right, 77 for your I.Q. is WAY too high! ;-D
kagun: Did you know the UK has not offered one penny to the hurricane disaster?
Sounds like that might be where monkey77 is from.
If he/she/it had any intestinal fortitude, it would have at least a profile like we do.
And before "it" says, ----others don't have one---, my answer is I do, so have some guts boy.
Sorry kajun, the "g" was a typo.
mk69: Are you ready to apologize for your lies yet?
Any newspaper's editoral "position" on ANY subject is an "OPINION" of the people that publish the paper. You are not only ignorant, (if you don't know that), you prove yourself incapable of intelligent debate, therefore this is my last attempt to reach your "brainwashed" brain.
The only thing that surprises me about you is, you have not quoted statements from moveon.org or "Babs" website and expect us to accept them.
Enjoy the rest of your life as a puppet for the left.
bravo! smug, silly little people
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defending the United States' sluggish response to offers of aid that have poured in from abroad since Hurricane Katrina, senior U.S. officials said on Wednesday it is a challenge to match offers from some 95 countries with what is most needed on the ground.
Adding to scathing criticism at home that authorities were slow to respond to the Katrina disaster, a European Union official has blamed transport and other logistics problems in the United States for holding up some of the aid offered by EU countries.
But Harry Thomas, the State Department official in charge of handling the foreign aid denied it was being snarled by bureaucracy.
He said 11 planeloads of food, tents and other goods arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas, this week from Britain, Italy and France, for distribution to hurricane victims. Planes laden with provisions were due to arrive in the next few days from Britain, France, China, Russia, Spain and Israel.
Barbara Helfferich, a spokeswoman for the European Union's executive Commission, said on Tuesday that problems were snarling EU aid offers. She cited the example of a Swedish plane laden with aid that was waiting to take off but had not received U.S. approval to enter the United States.
Thomas acknowledged that not all offers of aid, which total about $1 billion in cash and other assistance, were being taken up as they were offered, saying they had to be matched with specific needs."
carry on reading here:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=globalNews&storyID=2005-09-07T204744Z_01_SPI774831_RTRUKOC_0_US-FOREIGN.xml&archived=False
I won't be back.
Your ignorance, and total lack of gratitude for the help offered by other countries, sickens me.
mk77:
I'm sure there are a lot of people grateful for any assistance, from anyone, anywhere. Your arrogant, condescending attitude has no bearing on anything whatsoever. What, should we thank you personally? If you've actually done something to help, then allow me to sincerely thank you. But calling people ignorant only displays your own ignorance; you don't know anyone's thoughts but your own.
As for your "anti-Ahnuld" declaration?!
Stay, go...whatever.
PS: Cute picture at the site you linked...
mk77 said...
I won't be back
I'm not much of a gambler but, I am willing to take ALL bets this is a lie!
RAM:
I won't take your bet. He said it before. For awhile it seems he changed his "nom de blog", but started using mk77 again eventually. Anyway, he's already admitted to being a liar...whatever.
Right, one last comment to clear up this "liar" thing:
I said it was easy to wind you up? I said you could hit "Next Blog" to find me? Later I said I had no blog?
Can you not even understand the difference between fooling around and lying??
And, I was not aware that it was necessary to have a blog in order to comment here. (I don't see Jannymae's available for viewing or commenting on?)
As for knowing people's thoughts: I can read what people write here. They're pretty anxious to go on record with their fulsome opinions.
Now, "Arnie the English-challenged foreigner" or not, I won't be back. Not only are you ungrateful for the help which you sneered that you wouldn't receive, you have no bloody sense of humour either.
Bye bye.
"Libby Gone™:
Excellent point; I'm sure you won't be holding your breath though, right?"
YUK
mk77:
You lied again when you said you wouldn't be back...the only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency.
JannyMae:
I guess we "have no bloody sense of humour", huh? Funny how some can rationalize their nonsense by claiming they were just joking...
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